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Orjinal Görünüm: varis tedavisinde sülük- yardıma ihtiyacım var
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Merhaba,
1-Bacağımdaki(diz kapağı arkasındaki)örümcek varis diye tabir edilen varislerim için sülüklerden faydalanmak istiyorum.Kaç adet ve ne kadar süre kullanmam gerektiğine dair bilgi alabilir miyim?
Yaşım 25 , 58 kg civarındayım.

2-Ve genel anlamda sülük tedavisinin hangi noktalara , kaç sülükle , ne kadar süre yapılacağını anlatan bir site , bir kitap tavsiyeniz var mı? Çünkü iş sülüğü satmakla yada satın almakla bitmiyor.
Merhaba,

Varis tedavisinde hirudoterapi yani sülük tedavisi gerçekten işe yaramaktadır. Ağrıların 3 ila 6 seans arasında azalma oldugu ve geçtiği 12 seans ve üzerinde damarların kendisini toparlagı görsellik açısından iyileşme görülmüştür.Wink


Uygulama şekli bacak bölgesindeki damarların 2 ila 3 cm yakınlarına damar boyunca 5 ila 10 adet sülük uygulanmaktadır.
Uygulama seans aralıkları 3 ila 7 gün aralıklarda 12 seans ve üzerinde olumlu sonuçlar alındıgı yapılan araştırmalarda ve örnek çalışmalarda geçmektedir.


Malesaf sülük tedavisi ile ilğili türkçe bir kitap bulunmamaktadır.
Öncelikle cevap için teşekkür ederim.
Ancak benim varislerim (çok şükür) fotoğraflardaki gibi ileri derecede değil.Bacak bacak üzerine atmaktan kaynaklandığını düşündüğüm çizgi şeklinde,örümcek varis denilenlerden.
"Uygulama şekli bacak bölgesindeki damarların 2 ila 3 cm yakınlarına damar boyunca 5 ila 10 adet sülük .." demişsiniz.Bacak bölgesinden kastınız sorunlu yani varisli bölge değil mi?sorunlu bölgenin 25-30cm2 civarında olduğunu düşünürsek benm için her seansta daha az sülük yeterli olacaktır diye düşünüyorum ve sizin de görüşünüzü istiyorum.Zira sülükleri telef etmekten korkuyorum.Zaten o hayvancıkları kullandıktan sonra nasıl öldüreceğim hiç bilmiyorum.:S

Sülük tedavisiyle ilgili yabancı dilde-tercihen ingilizce-tavsiye edebileceğiniz kitap/döküman/kaynak var mı?
Her seans için 25-30cm lik alan için 5 tıbbi sülük uygulamanızın uygun olacagını düşünüyorum.
Bir hasta kullanmış oldugu sülükleri kesinlikle başka bir hastada kullanılmadan imha etmelidir. Böylece kan yoluyla bulaşan hastalıkların geçişi engellenerek güvenli bir tedavi sağlanmaktadır. Sülükler ilk kullanımda ürettikleri salgıyı boşalttıklarından ikinci uygulamada aynı etkiyi gösteremezler.
Sadece hastanın kanını emmiş olurlarSmile

İngilizce Kaynak:

Leech Therapy, Thrombophlebitis and Varicose Veins

Thrombophlebitis and Varicose Veins
Before the advent of heparin, leech therapy was an established method for acute treatment of deep leg vein thrombosis and superficial thrombophlebitis. Many older nurses and doctors from different departments remember using leeches to treat such cases. With the arrival of heparin, which was before the age of randomized controlled studies, leech therapy quickly lost much of its former significance, but it has still retained significance as a niche application for treatment of symptomatic varicosis and superficial thrombophlebitis in medical practice. A multitude of case studies and case series on this subject can be found in the older internal medicine literature. Bottenberg's book on leech therapy was an authoritative work of the times. Indian researchers used technology-based methods for objective classification of the effects of leech therapy in a more recent uncontrolled clinical trial in 20 patients with venous ulcers in patients with complicated varicose veins. A single leech application reportedly led to a significant anti-edematous effect in 19 out of 20 patients and produced healing of the previously refractory venous ulcers in all patients studied. Because of the lack of a control group, it is not possible to determine whether the effect of leech therapy was a specific effect. There are no other uncontrolled or controlled studies on this subject. As in many other diseases, years of successful traditional practice provide a broad base of empirical evidence of efficacy, but only little evidence that fulfils the criteria of evidence-based medicine. Controlled studies must therefore be performed in order to obtain a more specific efficacy assessment. Since leech therapy does not have cosmetic effects on varicose veins and because effective physical methods for edema treatment are available, these studies should concentrate on the efficacy of leeching in alleviating the symptoms of varicose veins and in healing venous ulcers. However, these studies cannot be conducted without financial support. Sufficient research funding is crucial for achieving scientific proof of the efficacy of leech therapy.

Venous Disease; Varicose Veins
Venous disease is one of the best-established traditional indications for leech therapy. There is a plethora of case reports and empirical studies on the subject, including clinical investigations of the efficacy of leeching for postoperative prevention of thrombosis before the advent of heparin, which is now the standard prophylactic agent. The postoperative use of leeches for prevention of thrombosis was proposed by the French surgeon Termier as far back as the 1920s. His recommendation was first adopted in France and was later implemented successfully in numerous hospitals around the world. In addition to its fibrinolytic and viscosity-enhancing effects in the blood, leeching also has bactericidal and some spasmolytic activity that may have a very positive effect on the patient's general condition. Leeching was therefore a permanent institution at many hospitals for many years and was readily performed even though it was relatively time-consuming in terms of changing the dressing and caring for the animals.

In the end, comparative studies from this period were unable to demonstrate that leech therapy could reliably prevent thromboembolism. This was presumably due to the unreliable pharmacokinetics and poorly controllable anticoagulatory effects of leeching. After the advent of heparin, leeching rapidly lost its foothold in thrombosis prophylaxis and is no longer used for this indication today. In deep vein thrombosis, the systemic effects of leeches are insufficient; hence, it must be assumed that they do not have any relevant systemic fibrinolytic activity. In modern medicine, the use of leeches for adjuvant treatment of acute deep leg vein thrombosis cannot be justified because the established drugs used for initial anticoagulation constitute a contraindication for leeching.

In venous disease, medicinal leech therapy can be recommended for treatment of acute superficial phlebitis and chronic venous insufficiency (CVI) associated with varicose veins and postthrombotic symptom complex. Leech therapy is particularly useful for symptomatic treatment of varicose veins. Although it cannot eliminate the venous dilatation and valvular insufficiency of varicosis, leeching is valued as a tool for quickly alleviating the symptoms associated with the disease. In most cases, the symptoms of swelling, pain, and perceived heaviness in the region of varicose veins or perivenous tissues improve significantly after leech application. We must stress that, when used to treat symptomatic varicosis, leech therapy should be administered in combination with other effective treatment modalities, especially those for relief of venous congestion. Important pillars of chronic venous insufficiency management include weight normalization for obese patients, physical therapy, and Kneipp's system of hydrotherapy. For optimal treatment results, supportive measures (e.g., support or compression stockings and medicinal wraps) should be continued and/or incorporated into combined treatment strategies. In any case, the patient should always be advised that leech therapy improves the symptoms but not the appearance of varicose veins.

Spider-burst must be differentiated from symptomatic varicose veins. Most patients seeking treatment for this mainly asymptomatic form of venous dilatation are women expecting cosmetic improvement. Leech therapy can, in fact, improve the cosmetic appearance of spider-burst veins, but there are no reliable data for objective quantification of the treatment results. As with CVI, it is important to inform patients with spider-burst veins that leeching often does not change the appearance of their condition and that the leech bites can even result in small scars or depigmentation.

In most cases, leech application has a significantly positive effect on the course of superficial phlebitis. Patients often perceive a noticeable improvement of symptoms right after treatment. Due to the potent anti-inflamma-tory, blood-thinning, and lymph flow-accelerating effect of leech secretions, the symptoms of swelling and pain rapidly subside, and the local letting of blood has a decongesting effect in the affected region.

In acute phlebitis, our experience has shown that the application of a larger number of leeches in a single session achieves the best results. In chronic venous disease, on the other hand, it is better to apply a smaller number of leeches in a series of treatments.



Practical Procedure



Target sites for leech application must be identified while the patient is standing to ensure that the blood vessels are in their maximum filling state. Leeches should never be applied to a visible or palpable vein, but always perivenously, that is, slightly proximal or lateral to the vein. Once the target sites have been identified, the leeches can be applied while the patient is lying down. As soon as the bleeding has stopped and dark crusts have formed, cooling compresses should be applied to the leech bites. We have found curd or lemon wraps to be effective for this purpose; these supportive measures enhance the results of treatment and reduce and/or eliminate the itching and swelling that often occur following treatment. The patient should l<eep the leg elevated during the first two days after treatment. The leech therapist should specifically advise the patient never to scratch on or around the leech bites since this could cause inflammation and permanent depigmentation of the bite marks.

The "dosage" guidelines provided below should be interpreted as reference values that must be adjusted to the individual needs of each patient. Based on our experience in practice, we also recommend that leeching should not be performed on patients with venous diseases on hot days unless absolutely necessary.



Acute Phlebitis, Acute Superficial Thrombosis



Six to ten closely spaced leeches are applied perivenously. Leeching should be performed two to three times within a period of approximately one weel< until the symptoms have subsided completely. Blood counts should be obtained before any repeat treatments are administered.



Postthrombotic Syndrome Secondary to Deep Leg Vein Thrombosis



Leeches can be applied to the affected region for superficial adjuvant therapy (only after completion of pharmacological anticoagulant therapy! ). Repeat treatments can be considered if the initial treatment resulted in good improvement of symptoms and prolonged therapeutic effects. To avoid problems with wound healing, leeches should never be applied directly to regions with marked signs of dermatitis or ulceration.



Chronic Venous Insufficiency



The symptoms of CVI (e.g., feeling of heaviness, pain, swelling, and itching in the legs) typically occur after orthostatic stress. The severity of symptoms, not the cosmetic appearance, determines the need for treatment.

Four to six leeches are evenly distributed lateral to the affected veins. The treatment should be repeated at four- to six-week intervals, i.e., after the therapeutic effect subsides. In the case of severe varicosis in the thigh and calf regions, it may be necessary to apply more leeches (10-12) around the vein in order to cover the symptomatic region adequately. Blood counts should be obtained prior to bilateral or repeat leech applications.

Special recommendations apply when treating venous ulcers in the calf and forefoot region associated with severe CVI. We advise against applying leeches directly to the ulcers, even though good results have reportedly been achieved with this practice in isolated cases. Instead, we recommend that a few leeches be applied to the healthy skin roughly 2-10 cm proximal and lateral to the edges of the ulcer wounds.



Spider-Burst Veins



The number of leeches used depends on the extent of venous dilatation. As a rule, no more than four to five leeches are required for a focal area of spider-burst veins. The leeches can be applied directly in and around the spider-burst region.
Teşekkür ederim.Smile
Beni ilgilendiren kısım özellikle şurası olsa gerek:

Spider-Burst Veins
The number of leeches used depends on the extent of venous dilatation. As a rule, no more than four to five leeches are required for a focal area of spider-burst veins. The leeches can be applied directly in and around the spider-burst region.
"Örümcek Varisler
Kullanılacak sülük sayısı varisli alanın genişliğine bağlıdır.Kural olarak,sınırlı bir bölgedeki örümcek varisler için 4-5 sülükten fazlası gerekmez.Sülükler doğrudan varisin üzerine konulabileceği gibi varisli bölgenin çevresine de konulabilir." diye tercüme edebilirz.
Ben teşekkür ederim.Smile
Yazının tamamını dikkatlice okumadım ama şu kısım beni düşündürdü :
Spider-burst must be differentiated from symptomatic varicose veins. Most patients seeking treatment for this mainly asymptomatic form of venous dilatation are women expecting cosmetic improvement. Leech therapy can, in fact, improve the cosmetic appearance of spider-burst veins, but there are no reliable data for objective quantification of the treatment results. As with CVI, it is important to inform patients with spider-burst veins that leeching often does not change the appearance of their condition and that the leech bites can even result in small scars or depigmentation.
Merhaba
Burdaki yazılan bilgi nerden alınmış bilmiyorum ama avrupanın hirudoterapi de yeni oldugunu biliyorum burda görünce rus internet sitelerinden araştırdım biraz ve sülüğün varis tedavisinde kullanıldığını söylüyorlar, 10 - 12 seans arasında sonuç alındığını bildiriyorlar. Eklediğim resimden de gorebilirsiniz. ve aşagıdaki link ede bakın bence. Ruscadan ingilizceye çeviri oldugu için bazı kelimeler tam anlamıyla çevrilmemiş ama idare eder. Sülük tedavisinin mantığını düşündügümüz zamanda bence şifa bulacağınızı düşünüyorum çünkü sülükler tedaviyi salgılarıyla yaparlar. Bu salgılardan en önemlisi hirudin diye bilinen salgıdır kanın pıhtılaşmasını önlemekte en saglıklı antikoagulan olarak bilinmektedir çünkü trombositleri parçalamaz (bircok antikoagulan trombositleri parçalayabilir) ve aynı zaman çok etkilidir. Sizin rahatsızlığınızın da diğer varisler gibi bir damar sorunu olduğunu düşünürsek, sülük tedavisi etkili olur bence. Ayrıca şöylede düşünmek lazım sülük tedavisinin saptanmış hiç bir yan etkisi bulunmamakta ve denemekten zarar cıkmaz aksine vücudunuz için önleyici bir tedavi uygulamış olursunuz. İleride karşılaşabileceğiniz damar sorunlarını önlemiş olursunuz. Ama bu tedaviyi ciddiye alın ve seanslarını düzeli uygulayın derim ben. Acil şifalar dilerim

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Evet,zaten yine de denemeyi düşünüyorum.Ama önce sülük bulmk lazım ve o hayvancıkları bacağıma koyup kanımı emdirmek için cesaret! Smile
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